Speaker 1: 0:22

I like that it says actual recording quality, not this crap you're watching now.

Speaker 2: 0:27

Okay.

Speaker 3: 0:28

I hate you so much right now.

Speaker 2: 0:31

Okay, I need to get it together Okay.

Speaker 4: 0:35

Everyone mute, so Kristi can give the intro.

Speaker 2: 0:38

Yeah, seriously.

Speaker 5: 0:40

Okay, sorry.

Speaker 2: 0:42

Happy New Year and happy new season. Welcome to season three of a which a mystic and a feminist. We have two very exciting guests, important guests you can fill in the blank Interesting, Interesting guests, We'll see. We are joined today by Marlena's husband, Vince, and my husband, Brian. So yeah, this strap in. I guess I don't know where this will take us, but hopefully the journey will be fun. You guys can unmute yourselves now, Hi Brian. Vince.

Speaker 5: 1:19

Yeah, you can unmute yourselves now that I've kind of brought us in. I was waiting for instructions, that's all.

Speaker 1: 1:22

No I appreciate it, I do. I was just ready to let it go.

Speaker 5: 1:28

Let's go.

Speaker 4: 1:29

Okay, I've chopped in, I'm unleashed the listening audience hasn't seen the pre stuff to this show, so it's been an interesting ride already. We're just starting. Yeah, so he told them to mute themselves for a minute.

Speaker 5: 1:42

That was good call.

Speaker 2: 1:44

And just full disclosure. I didn't give Brian much information about what he was doing on today's podcast because I wanted him to be like very authentic and just like speak, you know to the, you know, just not be prepared. I didn't want him to be prepped, so that was nice of you, just had to say that Wasn't it.

Speaker 1: 2:01

So I'm coming in with zero information, zero information I have very little information as well.

Speaker 5: 2:06

Let's go Perfect From the cuff.

Speaker 1: 2:09

Yeah, I'm going to be on this morning. That is the only thing I knew Well.

Speaker 3: 2:13

Welcome, Brian. Welcome, Vincent Welcome.

Speaker 1: 2:18

Thank you for having us.

Speaker 3: 2:20

Yeah. So, brian, why didn't you tell us a little bit about how you and Christie met? Start there, oh fantastic.

Speaker 1: 2:28

I mean I'm so glad you asked, All right. So we were working at a bookstore, a large chain bookstore, barnes, noble. She was the magazine girl. I was the receiving manager. She came in the back. She had to rip up magazines, the front cover, to send the back so we get credit for all the unsold magazines. And I was back there all the time. And so she came back check me out. I was checking her out and the whole thing was the big thing that got me was a smile and I'm sorry the people who are listening cannot see the smile and I'm so sorry.

Speaker 3: 3:03

You can read it as absolutely a big she does have an amazing smile, thank you.

Speaker 2: 3:07

I did take my time in the warehouse like ripping those covers off like real slowly, because you can do that pretty fast. But I would take my time because then I could spend more time back there getting to know Brian. So you know, yeah, like, oh, that was so hard, Let me do it again.

Speaker 5: 3:23

You look at him in his eyes while you ripped it up slowly, very elurient as well.

Speaker 2: 3:28

The sexy rip, I don't know, yeah, anyway moving on, the sexy rip.

Speaker 4: 3:33

She got me with the sexy rip, the sexy rip that's awesome.

Speaker 2: 3:39

But so, vince, I think you should answer the same question. How did you and Marlena meet All?

Speaker 5: 3:44

right. So I was at the mall and she was working at the mall as a security guard and she was friends with one of my friends and he started, you know, she came up to introduce herself or whatever it was. I'm saying, wow, she was awesome. But this time of my life I was playing around a little bit, right, and married ladies, girlfriends, whatever didn't matter to me and she came up and she had a ring on her finger, right, oh man, but there was something special about her, so I did not try to hit up on her or anything. But when she walked away, you know, in those polyester like cop pants, right, mall security, boom, boom, mall cop and I was just like, oh, that's nice, so, but I wasn't going to do anything, for some reason I respected her enough that I wouldn't hit up on her ring or not, right, I mean, what's the other ring? But so usually that doesn't stop, but you know, this time it did. So I get a call from our friend Kate. Hey, marlena wants to give you her number. I'm like it's okay. Turns out the ring was fake to keep people from hitting on her.

Speaker 4: 4:59

But she instigated that.

Speaker 5: 5:00

Thank you, You're welcome Well wow, ok, you're welcome yeah.

Speaker 3: 5:07

So what people don't understand is at mall security, we are like similarly dressed as cops, so it's like the polyester pants and the duty belt, but we also had these big ass Mountie hats. Yes, and I still pulled his ass with the mother fucker.

Speaker 4: 5:25

It was the walk away. He said the boom, boom, boom, the boom.

Speaker 3: 5:31

Because I purposefully added a little more switch to my walk.

Speaker 2: 5:35

So as one does. Yes, yes.

Speaker 3: 5:39

That is like, do I turn around and see?

Speaker 2: 5:40

if he's looking.

Speaker 5: 5:41

Now we're married.

Speaker 4: 5:42

Just keep walking, just keep walking. And now you're married.

Speaker 3: 5:46

Now we're married. Awesome, now you're married.

Speaker 4: 5:48

Yes, well, you've been married. It was not.

Speaker 3: 5:51

It was not OK. So let's bring it a little closer to present day, when we started this podcast, or we started discussing this podcast and we finally brought it to our spouse's attention. Brian, what did you think about Christie jumping on a podcast and a podcast about spirituality, feminism, witches, all the things?

Speaker 1: 6:18

I mean, I thought it was great that she was.

Speaker 2: 6:20

I was going to say be honest, you can be. I'm sorry, you can be transparent and honest.

Speaker 1: 6:24

I thought she was going to ask the guest a question.

Speaker 2: 6:26

Well, I'm just piping in because I know what you've said to me, so go ahead and you can share that. So I'm just, I'm like letting you know.

Speaker 1: 6:35

Oh, so well, I used to have my own little show that I would do online and I was thought like, oh, it'd be great if Christina did something together, you know. And then she was just like no, no, you know. And then I was like that's a bunch of bullshit, you know. I was like I've been asked to you do this with me. I was like okay, but you know, and I understood it was the witch, the feminine, the feminist and the mystic, and so it was more kind of like in tune with her and so she was kind of more open about her past experiences with religion and things. So it seemed to make sense and I was very happy for her that she got that chance to open up and she was like really learning a lot of new things after the podcast. She's like gosh, we talked about dogs, walker, whatever it is. And.

Speaker 2: 7:23

I'm I'm jotting that down for our next guest. Yeah, there's gotta be one out there.

Speaker 3: 7:28

So do they walk spirit dogs? Is that those?

Speaker 4: 7:32

leashes.

Speaker 1: 7:33

I imagine. So they just take a leash and just drag it along. This is Toby.

Speaker 4: 7:40

Don't pet him, he'll bite you.

Speaker 2: 7:43

So, yes, brian was a little hurt in the beginning because I didn't want I had said no, tim, so many times, but then like I think you understood after a little while that like it was for me, you know, and this was, and then you were excited. So, yeah, yay, and Vincent.

Speaker 1: 7:58

I had to paraphrase, so you're frowning for me.

Speaker 2: 8:01

I didn't answer for you. I was clarifying. Yes, hon.

Speaker 3: 8:07

What were your thoughts when I told you I want to start a podcast?

Speaker 5: 8:11

Initially I was a little skeptical not to lie but I was so happy that you found something that you're passionate about. You want to invest some time in it and learn and grow in yourself, which I think is awesome. Didn't like the name Not gonna lie but still don't like the name. Right, I still don't like the name, but it's not for you yeah, wow, what's a witch.

Speaker 1: 8:34

What doesn't he like about the name? She didn't know.

Speaker 3: 8:35

Witch man, choose your itch. I'm either a witch or a bitch. Choose your itch.

Speaker 5: 8:41

So you know I was meditating. She wants to meditate and you know things grew and she's passionate about it. She's doing the research, she's learning stuff and growing man, what can you not like about that? You want to do something that grows you as a person. And then we've had some good conversations, we have some great experiences. It's been so positive for her. So, no, I'm totally down for her. It's good shit, I mean.

Speaker 2: 9:11

What would you have named the podcast? Vince's podcast oh, Vince's podcast.

Speaker 4: 9:18

You know you have the Joe Rogan experience? No, he was not it.

Speaker 2: 9:22

Vince's podcast there you go Vince's podcast with Marlena, Jamie and Christie.

Speaker 4: 9:29

You know. So who wears fun with?

Speaker 2: 9:30

flags yes fun with flags. I do Fun with flags.

Speaker 5: 9:34

Boom.

Speaker 2: 9:36

Fun with Vince.

Speaker 4: 9:37

I don't know.

Speaker 3: 9:40

Without Vince on the show?

Speaker 2: 9:41

Yeah, Over to all sorts of things.

Speaker 5: 9:45

I like to win your safety.

Speaker 3: 9:48

Maybe you two should start a podcast, yeah.

Speaker 2: 9:49

Right.

Speaker 1: 9:55

It was just maybe bring sexy baths all over the call.

Speaker 3: 9:57

Exactly.

Speaker 4: 9:58

Just be called sexy.

Speaker 3: 9:59

That's it Sexy never laugh, baby. Sexy never laugh oh thank you.

Speaker 5: 10:03

Next question yes.

Speaker 2: 10:06

Vince? I'm actually curious. So, were you spiritual before this? Or I mean, I guess, before you mentioned meditation, but what's your background?

Speaker 5: 10:16

Well, my parents went to church. My mom was very religious. I didn't buy it to everything. I thought I was going with the family, thing right. But there's so many discrepancies and consistencies, contradictions with an organized religion that you can't trust any of that. You know. But I always know For me which morally right. You know, I know what's right and wrong. I know what I've done bad Shit. I know I did bad and I voluntarily did it. But the church, the Catholic Church, has done atrocities in God's name, the Sun's name Yep. Yep, how can that be right? I mean right. Yeah, I'm not gonna sit on anyone else's religion, but I do think I'm a free thinker. I believe I'm more spiritual than they're religious. I know it's right or wrong To myself, maybe some people don't have the same Thoughts I do, and that's okay. We could still be friends. Um, yeah, but I think I know what's right or wrong for me and I might see other people as through my lens. But that's okay, you know it's not. They don't judge me. Fuck you, I won't judge you.

Speaker 4: 11:37

And that's the.

Speaker 3: 11:39

Brian, what about you? Are you religious or spiritual or atheist?

Speaker 1: 11:45

I am None of the above. I don't believe in anything. I do believe that there's, uh, maybe some, okay. So what I believe is, and scientific fact, that everything has energy, right, and energy doesn't disappear. So, even if you die, like all your atoms, we're all born from stardust. We're all born from the same exact thing. So all the same exact, you know, atoms and minerals, and everything that's on venus, is in our bodies, is in the earth. So all the universe is connected. So, uh, energy does not disappear. And so I do believe that there is positive energy and then that there is negative energy. So that's what I believe. I don't believe that there was a uh, all encompassing being who created everything, you know.

Speaker 3: 12:35

So you don't believe that we were made from aliens and alien dna and we are hybrid, uh, aliens, and didn't I say?

Speaker 1: 12:43

that he said well, that doesn't mean now we were not a hybrid alien dna people I mean the but the uh, hybrid dna people were still stardust, so it's all just stardust we could have been made from. I mean, we could be living on, you know, like the tip of a, you know on somebody's fingernail, right now, okay, you know we have no.

Speaker 5: 13:04

What if we are an atom to somewhere? Right, right, stop man, yeah. Anyway, my thoughts are, and this is I don't know if it's it's weird so it's all encompassing. I believe in aliens, I believe in other dimensions, I believe in afterlife and I've had experiences with that, but I'm not sure if it all is in one thing, or or do they contradict each other? I don't know. But I do believe in aliens and you know that's something that the United States government has recently said, that you know they've acknowledged, which we all knew, right, but then, different dimensions, different times, for different people, I don't know. There's a lot of things that I believe in, um, and, but I do believe that there is an afterlife and and I've seen, yep, uh, I've experienced that.

Speaker 2: 13:47

And do you think the afterlife is because of a creator or just because energy doesn't go away?

Speaker 5: 13:52

I don't know, there might be a creator, but that career might be just watching. Okay, like an experiment, right, but we don't know. I mean, we don't know the powers of other Like yeah, species, yeah right, wow, fair enough.

Speaker 1: 14:06

Well, I watched this. There's a little bit of this documentary that uh, bill Maher is called religious and so he's talking to this Jesus kind of impersonator that uh does all the things he's like. And if this one thing really stuck with me said Try to explain in television to an ant, okay, that's what god is to us. And so I was like, okay, I mean I get what he's saying, you know, but it's just okay.

Speaker 5: 14:31

But what could your creator be? A scientist that you know created life somewhere and just watched it grow Right. Wow, did that be a possibility?

Speaker 3: 14:43

Well, I do have a question for brian and christie. So Do you feel that your beliefs differ Uh significantly from one another, in that you know his scientific beliefs versus your maybe more spiritual beliefs, christie?

Speaker 2: 15:00

um, I think well, they've always varied right. So when we met I was Kind of deconstructing right, but I was still in it and he felt it was more kind of like spiritual but not religious or something you know. Yeah, but even when we first met, though like I was still, you know, living in my parents house, I was still like having to do the things that I thought pleased them, you know those kinds of things, so I wasn't Far out of the church at that point. And so at that point, yes, our beliefs differed, like significantly, because he believed in zero, zero, god, zero, spiritual, like zero. Um, so, as we've come along and I've deconstructed I'm, I'm more spiritual, like he said, than religious. Um, I think they, I think there's commonalities, like he said, like the stardust right, we're all stardust. Like I believe that too.

Speaker 5: 15:48

Um, and I don't know, I don't know.

Speaker 2: 15:52

Yes, I don't know if there is one creator or if it's just right like I don't. I don't know, and I'm actually okay with not knowing.

Speaker 3: 16:01

Um, so yeah, so I think we're kind of, we're varied a little bit, but not so far off that we can't have Open conversations, you know so it doesn't cause an issue in your relationship, Whereas you know, because in some relationships, if you don't have the same beliefs, it's like oh well, you know, you're all.

Speaker 2: 16:23

Well, and that, that's what I was told when I met him.

Speaker 5: 16:27

It was like he's not a christian.

Speaker 2: 16:28

You can't marry a christian, right? You can't marry a non-christian, and um, and I'm like watch me, but like cool. So yeah, I totally understand that and that is a guiding principle for a lot of religious people. If your partner is not of the same belief, then it's never gonna work right, it might work in the short term, but it's never gonna work long term. So we just kind of shut everybody up Mm-hmm, that's cool.

Speaker 1: 16:51

Almost 15 years later, baby.

Speaker 2: 16:54

I know.

Speaker 4: 16:57

Yeah, and you and marlena and vince, I mean you guys were very, I don't want to say very similar and well, both part of the church a little bit yeah, brought up catholic yeah.

Speaker 3: 17:10

I wasn't really brought up catholic. I was baptized, yeah, but that was kind of like how we baptized alexis catholic. It was a just in case. Yeah, um, you know, we didn't like my mom and dad didn't go to church regularly, or you know, I didn't go through first communion or any catechism or you know anything like that. So whenever I went to church it was because either A friend brought me to church, or or it was christmas and his mom wanted to go to church, you know something like that. Yeah, but I didn't actually Go to church. I kind of just and I still do this I kind of just cherry pick from different religions or different beliefs of what feels good to me, and so, um, I never just Said, yes, this, this one religion and this one Thing is what I believe in. It's like, oh, I believe a little bit of this and a little bit of that, and this feels good to me and this doesn't so. But, yeah, I don't go to church.

Speaker 1: 18:11

So, uh, sorry to interrupt, but it's kind of like you're explaining christianity there. You're just taking the best bits of everything that you like and making your own thing of it. I like it, that's what they do.

Speaker 3: 18:20

I'm gonna be a co-leader. I'm gonna start my own church.

Speaker 4: 18:23

This is the start of the cult. Just so you know.

Speaker 2: 18:27

No, I think you have like two cult leaders on this right now. At least you join our church, you know?

Speaker 5: 18:36

the thing is a lot of Generations followed their parents lead and then they brought down to the kids and they brought down to their kids Because that's what they were brought up to know. Now we're, we're thinking more, we're questioning more, right, so that that leads us to our own answers and what they feel Inside is right or wrong? Um, and it doesn't, yeah, you know, like another christianity, you know, and then, instead of just going for the religion, what feels good to you, what feels right to you, right? Oh, I've known a lot of uh right people who've done some bad things with really good moral thoughts and answers. Like you know, this is what I've done, but I believe you should always respect the parents, your elders, never hurt children. And then some of these guys have, you know, done like bad, bad things, but they're really good people, they love their families. But what's right there? Say, for example, you killed this guy, but you're a really good person for it. I mean, he's done one bad thing, but he believes in good things too. Who judges that?

Speaker 4: 19:48

Right, yeah, I guess, and it depends on what you believe, right, the Almighty. God is gonna judge you in the end, whatever it is that you feel is the final judgment. Really, I mean, it was what it comes down to and it's our beliefs and what we feel. I get you so, yeah, I know it's a tough one. It is a tough one and it is, yeah, and I think it's very valid to say I think I don't know. I feel like it's a lot. Our generation more and more, because we are looking at things differently, trying to find different answers, our own answers, versus just going by what we were taught or told to fall in suit with. So I feel like our minds of this generation are a little bit more open to the other possibilities. Also, being brought up Catholic, we did it out of habit. I think, more than anything, my mom is like this is what we do every Sunday, this is, and I feel like that's what she felt too, because that's how she was raised. So this is just what we do every Sunday. And I just knew every Sunday we went to church and afterwards we went out to brunch. So I looked forward to breakfast afterwards going to church, but right, it was routine and that's good word. Yeah, it's just, it's what you did. It's what you did. So, but I think, as the rest of us, you know, as we got older in our religions, we, I think we really started to question more, you know, the things that would come out about the church and it's like how could these atrocities happen and be allowed to happen?

Speaker 5: 21:24

Yeah, so, In a benevolent God's name.

Speaker 4: 21:29

In God's name, and then also in other religions too. Right, war in God's name, in your God's name, whatever God that might be. That's just. It blows my mind that people could use their God or a God in these things that they do to other people. It's mind blowing, so not quite sure where I'm going with this point. Other, than justification. Well, I mean, it fits their agenda, yeah, yeah. But I think this generation, I feel like more than anything, has really started to question the values, the rules, the regulations, if you will, very much so in the Catholic Church, what their religions, and I think that's fantastic. I think everyone should find their own answers.

Speaker 5: 22:13

There's a lot of generations that didn't question, like you're saying. They didn't think the question. We also know we are.

Speaker 4: 22:20

Mm hmm.

Speaker 1: 22:21

So I think that, as you know, I swear not everything is going to come back to science, but as science progresses and we learn more things to explain more things, because that's how religion kind of started making up stories to explain things that we couldn't understand, Right, you know, like the Romans and the Greeks, you know they had their. You know the Sun, God, the Moon, God, you know God's for absolutely everything. And then once we started figuring out like, oh no, you know like the tides change because of the effect of the full moon or the moon, you know because the natural forces around us, that's the way things. And as we learn, those gods disappear. So I think that's, once we learn more and science progresses, we get more intelligent as we evolve, more than religions just going to eventually disappear.

Speaker 5: 23:11

I don't know if religion is going to disappear. I also think we sorry to make you cut top, but I think some people are always going to think that it's always a divine creator. However, remember the Bibles were created by man. Yeah, they're writing things for their like when I said their own agenda and to create structure, for this is what we want. This is what we want the sheep to think. Yep, it's filter stories there's way more sheep than there are. Separds, right, but if we give them this to think about, then this is all they're going to think about. We can control them Now. Sheep are reading.

Speaker 1: 23:52

And again, since they're just talking about reading, way more people are literate now back in the day, a lot more literacy. So people couldn't read. So they depended on those people to come and tell them the stories and read it. They had no idea if they were, you know what they were reading there. They could have been saying God knows what, god knows what, I knew it.

Speaker 5: 24:18

That's hilarious.

Speaker 2: 24:20

I'm just going to tack on too is that we have access to more information now, right, so that kind of plays into everything else. Is that our generation has access, yes, to not always truthful information, but we are getting hit with so much information from all over the world and previous generations didn't have that immediacy in information. So it's allowing us to see other parts of the world, other people in the world and how what they believe, right, and you're like, oh, that's interesting. That kind of resonates with me and then, like Marlene was saying, kind of cherry picking and being like that feels right, that feels right, but, like I know, my parents didn't really have access to that. They had access to their belief system.

Speaker 5: 25:03

Church in the Bible.

Speaker 2: 25:04

Yeah, the church in the Bible, yeah.

Speaker 5: 25:07

And aren't there some books of other religions that match the Bible? Yeah, so many.

Speaker 2: 25:14

So many Like, so most religions share five big characteristics. Do it, bust it out, and so like, if you well, so, so cool, that's Christy. I'm just gonna say that Like most. So if you were to like gather, the Christian Bible and you know the Christian beliefs and obviously Catholicism, but like Buddhism, muslim, like any, any religion you really want, you're gonna be. You're gonna see parallels in all of those religions. You're gonna see like one creator or many creators, right, but a divine being is what you're gonna, one of the things you're gonna see. You're gonna see the golden rule Do one to others as you want them to do on to you. You know, so it's. It's very enlightening when you can kind of step outside of your own religion and look at these others and you're like, oh shit, they all kind of are the same, right, they all kind of have similar principles. So if we could just shut up about our religion and listen to other people, we would understand there's more commonality than division. But because so many people are indoctrinated by those shepherds and by those books and taught that the only way is this way, everyone else is wrong, you get all of these terrible things happening in the name of religion.

Speaker 4: 26:38

Yeah, it's ridiculous, that's, and you're so right, and I think one of the positives maybe even just those, those characteristics that you just listed right, like those are good things to keep in mind. Whatever your creator is, whatever your universe is, whatever you believe, and then being a good person, like those are good values, and I think the good of religion for me are those standard qualities that I think help us be good people, at least the thought of it right. And then your ultimate God or your ultimate judgment is going to be when you die. I think that tries to keep a moral code, because you have to answer to someone. Whatever you're doing on this journey, you're eventually going to have to answer to someone. If it's not here on this planet, it's going to be when you die, for the rest of eternity. So I think the idea was to hold some moral code, because who are you going to answer to if you want to go just be a dumb shit and like hurt other people, like that's, that's not okay. You're going to have to answer for these things at some point. Yeah, so I like the idea of a divine creator, whatever that might be in your head, and maybe you don't have an answer Like we just talked about that. Maybe we don't know what that is. Maybe it is all the stardust in the planets and maybe it is one God, and maybe it is a panel of wonderful angels or something that just you know watch the world. I don't know, maybe they're all aliens, but you know, it gets a little bit of a moral code and I'm not opposed to that.

Speaker 5: 28:19

Well, good is good, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 4: 28:21

I'm very much in support of people being able to have their own thoughts.

Speaker 5: 28:26

But when you die, your physical being gets crumpled up into so many different parts, right, mm-hmm, but your spiritual part there is someplace that they go. I know this. I talked to people that talked to my dad, and you know, I've seen ghosts, I've seen, I've had things happen, but that's In capoeira. Is that the right word? That there's no body there's, they're not made of anything? Yeah, I think that's right. Yeah, so, yeah, so that's Another type of existence, without being, however, what powers those guys?

Speaker 4: 29:14

Charge every once in a while, man.

Speaker 5: 29:18

But they're energy. I've seen stuff, but. But their physical being is gone, but their spiritual essence is still there. Mm-hmm, I'm not sure if there's a time limit on that.

Speaker 4: 29:31

That's it. You're out of here. You're out of here.

Speaker 1: 29:33

I only got five more minutes.

Speaker 3: 29:37

So, brian, you know Vince is talking about ghosts and things like that. Is that something that you are skeptical about? Or and I'm asking because it's it now leading into a little bit of skepticism that maybe you guys have with, you know, witchcraft and mysticism and all the shit we talk about.

Speaker 1: 29:59

So just curious if well in my, in my heart. I would love to believe that would be true, like spirits around us of our loved ones watching over us. You know, I would love to. I Think it'd be cool to just have like see a ghost come in and be like. He's like hey, I'm Dave, I died like 1982. I'm just stuck here, bro. So like I'm like cool man, you know, nice to meet you. Yeah, exactly. But I believe everything can be explained by science. People say like I knew a guy. He was a construction worker. He was like sawing something on a floor and a saw jumped and he like cut his arm and so he called his wife and he's like he was kind of like out in the country and he's like hey, I need to go to the emergency room. Like I just got myself and he said on the way there he said his field of vision was like going like this. And you know, he said like I was like starting to go. He's like I was dying, I was losing so much blood. And he said his field of vision so and as he was explaining it, I was like, oh, that's the tunnel. He was seeing the tunnel. Like he said he was in the truck and he was like you know, going and like he was closing. So I was like, well, maybe that's the light, the tunnel everyone sees when they say that they're you know, and your death experience. And so I I believe that your brain is a very powerful thing. It can, you can make it believe whatever it is that you want to make it believe. And I believe that if You're involved in some sort of trauma, you're dying, you're scared, your brain is gonna go into a mode say like, oh, you know, let's Like this, is it? Let's you know, like comfort protection, though, yeah.

Speaker 2: 31:38

So, yeah, that's what you so, but you said earlier that you don't believe in her. I mean, energy does not die right, so, like when we die, do you have any thoughts behind where our energy goes?

Speaker 1: 31:50

Oh, it just gets recycled into the universe. It just something else, just randomly yeah, I mean just just just energy. It says it's not like a physical thing, you know.

Speaker 2: 32:05

No, no, I know. No, I'm just asking because you can't.

Speaker 1: 32:09

It's not like quantifiable. You know the energy right now. You can't. It's not something you can measure. I don't know if you'd call it a soul or you know whatever. So, Uh, I just think everything, for just everything's a part of everything.

Speaker 4: 32:22

I like that Okay.

Speaker 3: 32:24

I like that. Well, I mean, that's one of the laws of the universe that we are all one, and that's the first law of the universe is we are all one, um, which is spiritual and scientific. So that's the blending of those two together, vins, yes.

Speaker 4: 32:44

Before you continue.

Speaker 5: 32:45

Before you continue, I like what Brian was saying, that that's A lot of a way of thinking. Uh, when you're dying and your body and brain knows it's dying, it gives comfort, like when my dad was dying. He saw his brother and saw his family, you know. So I know what you're saying. But because that's welcoming, right, he's got someone on the other side that will welcome him into the next part of existence, right.

Speaker 3: 33:13

Yeah, but so do you believe? Hold on hold that thought. Yes, because I want to know, because you are my husband and I can um. But so do you believe that that is your mind playing tricks on you, or do you believe that those are actual spirits coming to Welcome you to the other side?

Speaker 5: 33:35

I don't know I can see both sides of that and and either or it could be true, both could be true, right. But I know that there is another side. After someone passes, I I've I've seen felt ghosts and when we were in Thailand and we had, we met Jen. Um, we met. She's a psychic medium. She didn't even want to look up because she didn't want to read us accidentally, right. So we got talking, explained why she was looking down. I said go ahead. And she's a shirt and she read everything about me. She didn't want me to talk. I didn't give her any indications. She described my dad. Some of the way she's talking was the way my dad talks. Um, she looked at my palm and told me different parts Of my life where things had happened, and this is before I said anything. She didn't want me to talk because she wanted me to believe her Dead. She was 100%. I mean, I believe in ghosts. Before her, my daughter saw my dad. I threw an adrew, bought my kid and she like fell forward when, when I saw, hit her and it was just funny. It was just funny. I'm holding my baby and she's smiling and she's talking to the air. I'm like who you're talking to. She turns and points to a picture of my dad. But I mean, there's the things that happened. I've, you know, went to the bathroom, came back and there's pots and pans on the kitchen. No sound, they're just there. I've been held down by ghosts. I was levitated on a mattress at my cousin's house and I looked down like oh shit, there's no fucking bed. I was on the other side of the room. Someone had died in that room a long time ago. They just didn't tell me. It's okay, but no need to know.

Speaker 2: 35:43

You can sleep in there, totally not haunted.

Speaker 5: 35:46

They may not have known, but I was sensitive, my dad was sensitive. There's things out there in the afterlife or maybe they didn't fully pass, maybe that might be it, I don't know. But yeah, there's things, yeah, like past death, maybe before the next life or existence.

Speaker 1: 36:08

And as Vince was talking there, I was thinking to myself like what would it like if I saw something? And I'm thinking like you know what, even though I say I don't believe in any of that crap like if sometimes I walk into like a dark room and stuff, I'm, you know, I'm like oh shit, what is in here? You know like there might be something coming out. There might be a ghost in here.

Speaker 5: 36:27

David, hey David, how's it going Nice to meet you. I'm Toby.

Speaker 2: 36:32

Yeah.

Speaker 5: 36:32

Are you? I'm.

Speaker 2: 36:33

Toby, I know.

Speaker 4: 36:34

It's a dog, it's a dog soul, definitely, and I think I think all of that is right, right, like it's still, it's energy. You, like Brian was just saying, you walk into a room and you just feel like, oh, like the, the energy has changed in here, whatever that is some kind of presence of ghost, whatever it is. I was just as Vince was talking and before he brought up the psychic medium, I have not ever seen a ghost, but I definitely had experiences kind of like what Brian said, when energy changes in a room, and then also talking to psychic mediums that you know, because my husband is such a skeptic too and he well, they could have done this, they could have done some research, they could, you know, they could generalize things when they say stuff just to make you think, oh, this is what they mean. But there's been psychic mediums that have really just hit nails on the head that I'm sorry. How much time did you spend researching me just to make me believe for your $100 session? Like, okay, is it? I just to me. There's no question that I think these energies are around us all the time. I think we choose to allow them to come in or not. In certain ways. Like Vincy said, you're more sensitive. You have that door open if you will.

Speaker 1: 37:59

So I just, and they could put blockers up too.

Speaker 4: 38:02

Yeah, you definitely can. I think the best one for me is the show Ghosts, Like that's really what I think Like they're there. They're just there hanging out, you know like having a good time watching the families. I mean, granted, they want to cross over, but like, yeah, I feel that that's what it's like. They're just there, okay.

Speaker 1: 38:25

But why are some ghosts and some not? Is everybody a ghost? Well, and that, why are some people?

Speaker 5: 38:30

ghosts Didn't pass over.

Speaker 1: 38:32

But why? Because because they still have unfinished business. I don't know, man.

Speaker 5: 38:35

I don't have the fucking answers.

Speaker 4: 38:38

Well, who's to say, they're not all ghosts?

Speaker 5: 38:41

Maybe they're tied to the living still. Maybe they still want to Maybe I don't want to leave they choose to go when they want to, but they still want to watch their loved ones. I know I would. It's like a title.

Speaker 3: 38:53

I mean, I think this is my belief is that you know, there are certain souls that stick around because, like when they've passed, they felt like they could do more from the other side than maybe they could have from here in their physical body. And for me that's proof with the you know, vince keeps talking about his dad, but his dad had and I think it was not just his dad but, you know, the entire universe orchestrated a number of things in our lives to where, you know it's proof to me that we are divinely guided. So I think that, like with my dad, I think he kind of just shows up when I really really need him, like when I'm about to get into a car accident, but then for the most part he's off writing his Harley in heaven. Just, you know, be like, call me, call me, call me. Where is my? That's exactly it. Where is my? Father-in-law is like here, just kind of leaving those bridecrumbs for us to find.

Speaker 4: 39:58

I feel like that's what they like. Maybe there's a bus and what's the other side? Right, is it heaven? Maybe they're hanging out in the big grand universe, hopping planet to planet, just floating around. What is the other side? Why do they have to cross over? I think they can be, here.

Speaker 3: 40:12

I think it's another dimension.

Speaker 4: 40:14

Yeah, they, you know, wormhole it all over the place. You know who knows? I don't know.

Speaker 5: 40:20

If they think they're done, they give their entirety to the universe to be recycled. Maybe their tasks are done.

Speaker 2: 40:28

That's good, vince, that's nice. I'm done with everything.

Speaker 5: 40:30

Fuck it, let's go. Yeah, recycle me.

Speaker 4: 40:35

I'm going to go mic drop on and on that Mic drop, I know I know I'll take a second.

Speaker 5: 40:42

But, you know nothing else, that would be a good way, Like does there have to be another side?

Speaker 4: 40:46

the other side.

Speaker 5: 40:47

Like it doesn't have to be. That's why they recycle it when they want to go, if they have a choice Exactly, maybe they're given a time limit.

Speaker 3: 40:54

And this is why I do so much research and work on psychic and medium powers, so that I can know these things because I have to know everything. I have one other side, I don't like one other side.

Speaker 5: 41:10

When you're strong spiritually, mentally, you can go when you want to. The stronger you are, the longer you can last. You know well, if you have physically here or no, when you're dead it will power. I mean, I mean, of course it starts in life that that gives you your mental strength, your spiritual strength. Then when you die, then it's all spiritual. This is what you built yourself up for. I want to last this long. I can keep on going, or and now this might be said I could feed off this motherfucker and and take his life force, and then he goes quicker than I do. I Mean it could be another wow, another work.

Speaker 2: 41:57

Ghost vampires. Would that be a ghost vampire?

Speaker 5: 41:59

You probably could be.

Speaker 1: 42:14

For some reason thought pops in my head a glam pyr. A ghost and a vampire together, but I was fabulous.

Speaker 4: 42:30

Fabulous. This is the name of our show now.

Speaker 5: 42:35

Vampires.

Speaker 4: 42:39

He likes that name Marlena.

Speaker 5: 42:43

I said it and I meant it.

Speaker 3: 42:50

You're just here as a guest.

Speaker 2: 42:56

Do you want to wrap up?

Speaker 5: 42:57

are we done?

Speaker 2: 42:58

I mean that was good, it was fun. I really wanted to take it out after Vince's. Yeah, okay.

Speaker 1: 43:03

I mean, it's a shush. No, what do you mean? No, you're married.

Speaker 5: 43:08

Take this I was gonna.

Speaker 1: 43:09

I was gonna say one more thing about okay, cuz you threw in a psychic send mediums, you know, because oh yeah now Don't get upset. Charlotte and some frauds. There's an episode of South Park. Okay, I Know, I know, I know and I made my mother watch this because my mother, the Long Island medium she was so into Long Island medium and I, just because my mother wants to believe so bad and it makes me feel so bad that I just don't want to see people get Bamboozled and tricked and it makes me feel so bad that she believes that she's actually talking to her mother or this woman is like the conduit you know and like, so she meet, you know. And so there's an episode of South Park and it talks about the. Was it John Edwards? He was like the big medium on TV is that? And it's all about John Edwards and how he does things and it is an incredible episode. It's funny, but it's so informative and I can't remember what episode, what season, whatever, but it's a John Edwards episode. It is fantastic, I am. I encourage everyone to go watch it.

Speaker 2: 44:15

You'll be like I don't understand Word of South Park day.

Speaker 1: 44:23

I'm telling you you can. You can find, you can learn from anything. Simpsons, that's a simpsons of the future, yeah and on that note Christie.

Speaker 2: 44:37

All right, oh yeah, thank you. You have a note afterwards, or would?

Speaker 1: 44:43

you like included in this episode. No, don't resist kind of. Is there gonna be like a? Is there gonna be like an after-show? Thought like yes, it should so.

Speaker 5: 44:53

With regards to, I agree there's gotta be a shit ton of fucking show it, since out there, I don't deny yeah, jen was not one. I didn't say shit.

Speaker 2: 45:04

Yeah, and that's what I do anything about.

Speaker 5: 45:06

She just fucking met me and she read all my shit. Yeah, talk to my dad, read everything about me, but I'm I'm guaranteeing you Season the top 1% of my folks. I could do that shit.

Speaker 3: 45:18

So Like with my terror readings and stuff like that, you were very skeptical about my terror readings previously and then you actually saw me. A friend of ours wanted a terror reading and you saw me do the terror reading. And then all of a sudden I start getting random text from you of women, women's phone numbers, women's names and women's phone numbers where I'm lying, and phone numbers whole you. You got a chick's name.

Speaker 5: 45:46

Why are you sending it to your?

Speaker 3: 45:48

wife and you're like no, she would like a terror reading, and so you're actually referring me out to do terror reading. So what are your thoughts on that?

Speaker 5: 45:56

and then, brian, I'd like your your thoughts as well thoughts are make me money, go ahead and take her money. I'm just kidding. I'm just kidding what? What it is is what I have seen with our friends, family. I've seen the aftermath of that. I've seen the tears. I've seen the, the confirmations. Like your shit. I am hesitant to say this, but you are no longer a muggle. You've got some shit, man. I've seen you, you've done some stuff and and you've polished up your skill set and that's why I am confident enough to to recommend you to people. I believe in you.

Speaker 2: 46:43

You got into Hogwarts.

Speaker 5: 46:48

I do not believe she gets a heartburn. It says, fuck, maybe I'm having a heart attack. Nope, somebody else's.

Speaker 4: 46:59

Okay, next episode.

Speaker 5: 47:02

Course you just had chips and salsa. I'm just saying that, kid heartburn, someone's dying.

Speaker 3: 47:07

I, I just had salsa, brian what are your thoughts on terror readings? And then we're gonna wrap this up I.

Speaker 1: 47:17

Think I don't believe in it. I think that people construct things to because people are afraid of the future they it brings them comfort to know, either good or bad, that they know what's gonna happen, because the fear of the unknown is the scariest thing. And so if they're able to say like, oh, you're gonna find a love or someone's gonna die, or Something great is gonna happen, or something very terrible is gonna happen, at least you know they're prepared, I think that brings people comfort. Yeah, and that's, that's what I believe.

Speaker 3: 47:53

All right. Last question Do either of you listen to our podcast?

Speaker 1: 47:56

No, I have not yet, only because I don't want to provide input. Okay, I don't want to say like, oh, I love that last episode, alright, because I don't want to. I'm very proud and I know you all do an amazing job. I just don't want to, because sometimes I get involved with things and I happen to kind of Interweave myself too much, where then it kind of becomes my thing, and so I don't want that to happen here. You know, because I tend to, you know, I tend to get involved way too much sometimes.

Speaker 5: 48:33

You just want to? Yeah, I get that. I don't listen or watch to it because I don't like the name. Thank you.

Speaker 4: 48:40

Oh, that's called Vince's fun with Vince Well featuring.

Speaker 2: 48:45

Marlena, that's on only fans. Thank you.

Speaker 4: 48:52

Oh Jesus.

Speaker 3: 48:57

No, it's not.

Speaker 4: 48:57

I will say real quick that and I know he's not here the third husband, my husband Chad, but he doesn't listen either and I don't think I've ever asked why. I just I don't think I care if he.

Speaker 1: 49:12

And, honestly, I don't listen to podcast either. I listen to my sports talk video, and that's pretty much it.

Speaker 3: 49:18

I don't think it's anything personal. I just wanted to give you guys shit for it.

Speaker 4: 49:21

That's all the sense is none of the husbands of this podcast listen to their I.

Speaker 5: 49:28

Yeah, and we're here to join in, so we listen to you every day.

Speaker 1: 49:33

We don't need to.

Speaker 4: 49:37

You need a break. So, jamie, do you still not listen to our podcast? Because I hate listening to myself? Yes, I don't. I don't. I'm too critical. We've talked about this too critical. I mean, once it comes out of my mouth, it's out in the universe and I just let it go. So whatever the fuck I said on the show is what it is, and I don't want to listen to it and go fuck. Why did I say that? So no, and it's. It's only because I don't want to Hate what I've said.

Speaker 1: 50:13

So if you're an actress in a movie, would you not watch? Your probably not.

Speaker 4: 50:18

Crazy girl? I'm not, probably not, christy, do you?

Speaker 2: 50:23

listen to our podcast. I've listened. I listened to few episodes, but kind of with Jamie I'm very critical of like how I sound and but I've been getting better, so like I just kind of take myself out of it. But again, like Jamie said, once I say it it's in the universe. So I, when I listen to it, I have to remind myself you already said this, it's done. There's nothing you can do about it now. Yeah, so like you're just gonna listen and you're gonna just like reflect and I don't know, move on. So it's gotten better, for sure, but I don't listen to every episode back.

Speaker 4: 50:57

I have picked a couple out here and there that I have listened to, but I don't do it on a regular at all. All right, I know Marlena has to.

Speaker 2: 51:08

She has to listen to it Well, multiple times, yeah, multiple times. Yeah, all right. Well, vince and Brian, thank you very much for joining us. We love you both and we appreciate your thoughts pleasure to be a guest on this podcast.

Speaker 5: 51:21

Yes, it was a pleasure being here.

Speaker 2: 51:24

I'm so glad. Just in case there's any concern, our name will remain the same. Just because Vince doesn't like it, it's not changing, and so, if you can go to WMF pod comm, you can listen to past episodes, you can interact with us, and we would also really appreciate if you could like subscribe. I don't know. Give us five stars. Is there a hard button on like? Wherever you listen to your podcast. That would really be great and we will catch you Next week on the other side.