Dr. Lisa Winters - Veterinarian, Pet Communicator, Pet Tarot Creator and Reader.

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SPEAKERS

Marlena, Jamie, Dr. Lisa

Marlena  

Welcome to a witch, a mystic and a feminist. Today Jamie and I have with us all the way from Perth, Australia, Dr. Lisa winters. Dr. Lisa is a veterinarian, and an animal communication and pet Tarot expert. In addition to offering pet tarot readings, Dr. Lisa also teaches her unique pet taro therapy method of animal communication. Dr. Lisa, welcome.

Dr. Lisa  

Thank you for having me. I'm so excited to be here.

Marlena  

We are very excited to have you. And so I understand that you realized at a very young age that you were able to communicate with animals, can you tell us a little bit about that?

Dr. Lisa  

So I have been communicating with animals for as long as I can remember. And I think some of my very first memories, you know, a really communicating with them and having an understanding with them was probably about when I was about five years old, and this is gonna, this is going to age me here for a minute. I don't know if you remember the movie, and this is the original, not the remake. I think it was about a 1975 movie actually called Escape to Witch Mountain. Have you ever heard of that movie?

Jamie  

Yes, I've heard of it. I don't know if I've seen it. But I've heard of it.

Dr. Lisa  

So in the movie, there's these two kids, Tia and Toby and TIA is able to communicate with animals. And she's able to psychically speak with her brother and have premonitions and those kinds of things. And Toby is able to do psychokinesis, where you can move things with his harmonica. But anyway, in that movie in on, I would have been about five or six years old at that time. And she started talking to her horse. And it was the first time that I actually saw what I was actually doing before that and like it just couldn't get spent. I just didn't talk about it, because I just thought everybody did it. And so it was just not discussed. And I remember thinking, wow, I that's what I do. And I turned to the the family that I was with. So I was staying with some friends at that time. And I said to them, I said, I can do that. And they kind of looked at me one year rightly so and they got me off. And it was at that point, I realized that okay, maybe this is not something that everybody does. And maybe I'm a little bit different. And it's just, it's just been with me ever since. And it's just kind of one of those things that you know, I think we're all born with that ability. And I just think that society culture, parents turn that volume down to the point where we just don't hear it or feel it or sense it or know it. And you know, for whatever reason, I didn't let it get turned down. It just stayed with me. And it's been an active part of my life forever.

Jamie  

That is a beautiful story. Really. Can you tell me? Was there a moment where you were like, wow, I mean, I don't even know what that moment was like, Did you figure you were having a conversation with this animal? Or, like, how did how did you realize I can do this?

Dr. Lisa  

I think that I've always just known like, I've always just known what animals needed what they wanted. And when I started realizing that I was having conversations, I remember one instance. And again, I think I would have been about seven, seven years old. And I had my little cat and she and her name was Funny Bunny. She was assigned me as makes, and I was putting together her dinner, and she was in the kitchen. And she was kind of you know, around my legs around my legs and doing what kitty cats do. And she kind of took off running from my bedroom, because that's where she got fed. And I remember saying, and I didn't say it out loud, but I just remember saying in my head, hang on a second. I'm coming like, you know, just just wait, I'm coming. And she immediately stopped. And she turned and she looked at me. And she sat and she waited. And I don't on me that I actually hadn't said it out loud. I just said thought it. And so I was kind of like, Oh, she she heard me she knew exactly what I was saying, you know? And I just remember her just turning in looking at me like okay, oh wait, you know, and it just it just progressed from there. Really? I mean, it just animals have always I've been told as a kid animals always gravitated to my voice, you know, they always were always wanting to have that connection. I trained horses for a living before I came a vet and I always knew exactly what they needed and I was able to train the riders because they knew what they were thinking. So I could be you know, three steps ahead of them going okay, telling the rider you know, your horse is telling me this he's gonna you know, he's wanting to look at that or spook or he's wanting to do this and it's always because I knew because they were telling me so I could Just kind of relate to their owners who were writing them. It's just always been there. I don't know, I can't, it's hard to really, I think truly pinpoint it.

Marlena  

But that's fascinating, though. Thank you. That is absolutely fascinating. And so you were saying that it's almost a form of telepathy in the way that you speak to animals? Do you use any other senses in the way you communicate with these?

Dr. Lisa  

Yeah, absolutely. So for me, my, my strongest clear gift is I'm Claire audience. So I'm extremely audience, I hear them speak to me. And so then I'm able to then, you know, have that conversation. And I think most conversations with animals will be a form of telepathic communication, I think that's how they communicate to each other. You know, I'm thinking that's how they communicate with us. But the way I receive their messages back to me is mostly clairaudience. So I hear them, they come in from my right side, they're kind of right about my shoulder height, that's the frequency that they come in. So animals who are past or present come in, and people who have passed come in at that level, whereas my guides come in at a higher frequency from my right hand side and kind of up above my head. So oftentimes, you will see me do this. And that's because I'm hearing from my guides, or I'll do this because that's what I'm hearing from them. I do get clairvoyant, you know, so I will see pictures, they'll send me pictures, it will just drop in. So you know, real strong Claire knowing you know, Claire cognizance, obviously, I think all animal communicators have a level of being empathic. So Claire, sentient animals speak to us in the path of least resistance. So it's whatever is easiest to get the message through to her whomever they're speaking to. And it just, for me, it happens to be, you know, that I hear them. And it's just always has been that way, which is good, because I don't know if I would have coped as a kid seeing dead people. And so I'm much easier, I'm much happier, you know, hearing them speak to me, and I can get an impression of them out of my peripheral vision. So I can usually describe them. But I don't actually visibly see them, which is probably a good thing. I think it would have scared me. So I'm happy that I'm that I'm planning on it.

Marlena  

I think you and I had discussed that when we were doing our pre interview about how that would frighten you. And I told you that with my child, they were able to see things and still are like, you know, we never said that's an imaginary friend or said anything like that. So they are still able to see things but it did frighten my child when they were younger. So and I know Jamie, we've had this conversation about how she does not ever want to see a ghost.

Jamie  

I put it out to the universe almost daily, like I you all can be here. I don't want to see you don't make things fly across the room. And don't scare my kids. Otherwise, you're here if you're nice and you have a white energy, otherwise you can be gone. It's like a daily practice. My guides no better not. Let me see anything. I don't want to know.

Dr. Lisa  

Definitely. And I think that that's how it works. Like I really believe that they come through the path of least resistance and I think if that is a resistance for us, because it's just not something that we can cope or absorb in that they go up no worries, you know, so it definitely I mean, obviously, you know, I could walk in and I can feel a lot of energy and sense a lot of energy and, and that kind of thing and you know, stand up the hairs on my you know, my arms or you know, that kind of thing. So I know that there's something there but I'm like you Jamie, I'm very glad to not have to see people so.

Jamie  

I have also declared if you're going to come to me dreams are safe come to me my dreams. And even in my dreams. I've shooed them away. So I I do obviously have some barriers I need to break down. What are you doing? You're not supposed to be here.

Marlena  

But you were also saying that in addition to animals, you have human spirits that come and connect with you as well. Is that something that takes place regularly? Or is it just more animals?

Dr. Lisa  

Yeah, that's, that's a great question. Um, for the most part, it truly just depends. It just kind of depends on the on the reading that I'm doing. It depends on who's coming in the strongest often times, you know, if my focus and my intention is really on the animals, then for the most part, you know, only the animals come in. How ever once every once in a while I'll be doing an ad I'm all reading and I will have a loved one or a one who has passed, who was on the other side come through, and I can't not acknowledge it. So then, you know, they start to have this conversation and, and sometimes they are so strong that I have to say, right, you know, we have to let the animal come back through. So sometimes I'll take the picture down, so I'm not as connected, and then just continue to work with the animal. But for the most part, I can kind of call in who needs to come in and keep hold that space strong enough that the information that needs to come through comes through without it getting garbled it used to when I was younger, it all just was one, eight, I couldn't decipher as I was getting information from everything, and I couldn't really decipher where it was coming from or who was coming from. I just was like, spitting out this information on Well, this is what I'm being told. And, at first, that's how I thought it worked. And you know, it's only over time, and fine tuning of the radio station, so to speak, I've I've started to realize they come in at different frequencies. And so I can kind of feel that energy when it's coming through and where it's coming through and kind of say, alright, this is the space that I want to be on. This is the frequency for the animals let sit there. So but yeah, it just kind of really depends on what the reading I'm doing. And and what who comes through?

Marlena  

Do you find that the human souls or spirits that come through? Are those that are like caring for the animal on the other side?

Dr. Lisa  

That's a great question. Sometimes, yes, sometimes no. So one of the kind of most recent times that this has happened, an owner had passed, but the dog was still with us. And I was doing a reading for the dog. And the owner was coming through, you know, and of course, I was doing the reading for the person who now has the dog. And I'm like, Alright, who's this, and I had no idea that the owner had passed, and that this was they were taking over care like they would I was just doing reading because when I do readings, I don't ask for any information other than a picture and their name and the intention of the reading. And so when I was doing this reading for this dog, and I was pulling cards, and then this this person was coming through, and I'm like, okay, sorry, but someone's coming through here and started to describe her energy. And I was talking and this is what she's saying. And they were like, you know, of course, immediate tears, and they're like, Oh, my God, this is the dog's owner. This is man, you know, and I was like, well, so it can be quite emotional. But it's always good, because she was acknowledging that she was now living vicariously through the eyes of her dog. And so she was still living on. But being present in her with her dog doing life continue on this side through the eyes of her dog. So I said, she's watching, she's watching you, you know, you all need to be behavior, not don't talk bad about man, because she's watching.

Jamie  

That is beautiful. And so you were doing a reading for this dog. So the dog was living and, and you were able to connect with its previous owner, you were able to communicate with the dog to say, your owners here, could you see the dog's reaction or that just

Dr. Lisa  

warms my heart. So I was working off of a photograph so so I don't know how that dog was reacting. I do know that when I do readings, in the presence of the actual animal, it is quite interesting to see their response and how they react. I had one instance where an owner had brought her a dog into the clinic and the dogs mother, who they had been together since since birth, and she had passed away. And since that time, the dog had kind of withdrawn a bit and was obviously going through a grieving process. But the owner was not actually really picking up that grieving process. And she kept saying that, I think that she needed to be put to sleep because she didn't have a friend and you know, didn't have a mum and, you know, all of these kinds of things. And while she was talking all these things, this dog was just sitting on the table just shaking. And she's like, See, she's not right. She's unwell. And the dog was just like, No, I'm fine. They just keep saying that they're gonna put me to sleep. And she was like, I don't want to be put to sleep. She's like, and so soon as I said to the owner, really, she's doing okay, she's coping. She's just grieving and she really doesn't want to be put to sleep and she really would appreciate you quit talking about it. And soon as I acknowledged that for her and validated it for her, the dog quit shaking. She just lived there and relaxed and it was just like so you often see You know, that kind of behavior that as soon as an animal is acknowledged and validated is just like, Oh, thank God, someone finally can hurt me. And I'm good, you know? And, you know, it's like, okay, I don't have to worry about this message anymore. It's out there. So yeah, so it's pretty amazing to see how animals do that.

Jamie  

Well, and we've always said that animals also have this psychic ability to write that they, we know animals can see things. Why can't spirits in the room presence and stuff. So that's just beautiful to me. I'm glad that they had some relief after that. It's like, No, don't kill me. I'm fine. I'm just You're scaring me. It scared me. And I'm grieving. For Bailey exactly.

Dr. Lisa  

She's just saying, Listen, it's not my time. Don't Don't do this, because I'm not ready. And and they didn't they listen, they were fantastic. And you know, she lived for another, I don't know, 10 years or something, it was quite a long time. They just got a friend for her. And, you know, she was quite quite happy with that. So.

Marlena  

So your animal communication skills, is what led you to become a vet crack?

Dr. Lisa  

Yeah, so I mean, it was, it was kind of one of these things, obviously, I trained horses for a living in the US. I had a show born took race horses of the track, and my body decided that it just wasn't going to be able to do that, you know, till I was 70 years old. And so I decided that if I couldn't ride horses for a living, that I would go back to school, and I'd become a doctor. And I would either become a human doctor or an animal doctor. And it was just logical to become an animal doctor. And as a vet, obviously, I use animal communication, you know, every day. And I and it's just kind of, it's just one of those things that that I do, I don't often think about it, you know, while I'm having conversations with the owner and getting information from them. It's like the animals kind of speaking in the background going, okay, and this and this, and this. And so, and sometimes I will, not knowing I do it, but sometimes I'll just say, Oh, they've said something about something in the house, or that just an acknowledgement. And owners are gonna be like, oh, yeah, that's right. True, you know, and it's kind of like, where did you get that from me? You know, and because it's a conversation, and I'm not actually focusing on it. I don't actually say, okay, sorry, step back a moment. I'm having conversation with your dog at the same time, I'm having this conversation with you. And this is what they've said. So, yeah, it just kind of comes out that way. So

Marlena  

do a lot of your clients know that you're an animal communicator? In addition to

Dr. Lisa  

that? Most do not. And I think it's because the way I see it is is that the owners that are perceptive and pick it up, when I'm saying it, and when I'm saying, Oh, your dog says this, your cat says this, or, you know, this is what I'm getting from them. And they pick that up. They're the ones who want to know about animal communication, and they get it. The ones that don't really want to know, and are just perfectly happy with me being a vet and treating their animal and doing a really good job with that. They don't pick it up. And so they're not ones who go hang on a second, I heard you say this, now, tell me more about it. And so it just kind of goes over, and they're happy for it. So I don't, I don't present it in that way. The people who get it, then ask about it. And then they often then become, they come and do my program and you know, join my group in become quite active in that community. So the ones who want to know, get it, and the ones who don't want to know, don't get it. And that's fine the way it is.

Jamie  

I just think what an added benefit, like I'm thinking, if I could take Maggie to the vet, and she would be like, No, Maggie Maggie saying it's not her stomach, this hurts over here, or this, this is what's bothering her or that damn cat at the house is really SME off mom, like that would have the added benefit. That would be I would definitely pay extra for that service.

Dr. Lisa  

Just. It's true. It's absolutely true. And like I said, as I'm speaking it, if the people like yourself would get that, and then they'd be like, hang on a second, I want to know more. Let's work with this. And we go from there. And we utilize all of that. And I'm a firm, firm believer in in that we all have this ability. And if we all learn it, then you don't have to rely on your vet to completely get what the animals telling you. You can go in and say listen, however you want to present it to your vet, like I feel this I know this, this is what I'm being told that's focused on this and yeah, so I'm a big proponent for that.

Marlena  

So do you help animals when they transition as well and like communicate with them basically, as they're about to transition? I'm like about to get all sad.

Dr. Lisa  

Yeah, no, I know. It's always is always a hard and sad time. And it's always quite emotional 99.99% of the time, when an animal's coming in to be put to sleep, you know, they're ready, they've told their owners and so I'm able to say, you know, thank you for, for telling them and they've, you know, come in and, and then they're very appreciative that I can hold that space for them. I do a lot of end of life conversations. So doing a reading with owners and their pets that are on their path to transitioning. And they want specific things. And so those types of readings while they're hard, and it's sad, because you're talking about an end of life decision, it's quite empowering to be able to acknowledge and validate exactly how the animal wants to go, and what it should look like, I had one owner, who is one of my animal communication students, she had been booked in to have her dog put to sleep, it was quite sick. And it was on my schedule. And when I saw her, I could hear her going, I don't want to be at the clinic, I don't want to come, I don't want to be at the clinic. And I actually rang the owner and just said to her listen, and I was able to say this with her, Listen, she doesn't want to come here, if she wants to be at home, you really need to get a mobile vet to come to your house, she wants to be around all of her friends, her animals and those kinds of things. So, you know, we were able to acknowledge her for that. So they definitely do want to have a say, and they want to, you know, know how it goes. I've had some cats that have said they don't want to be buried and they don't want to be in the cold ground. And I've said to their owners, you know, you really should consider cremation because your cat doesn't want to be buried, they want to be with you they want to be in the house, you know, cats are quite creatures of comfort. The last thing they want to do is be you know, buried in a hole. So yeah, so that's often a real gift to give the owners and the animals to be able to, for them to have a say. I mean, we get to have a say, we get to just say how it goes. Why don't they get to have a che so right? Yeah,

Marlena  

I know, I lost my dog. It was one of those things where we didn't know he was sick. And it happened very quickly. And when we took him to the vet, they were like he had a tumor, which we were unaware of that ruptured. And, you know, we should put him down. And for me, you know, being there with him when he transitioned was really, really hard for me. But at the same time, my child was like, but we need to be there with them. So it was just it was almost like they knew Yes.

Dr. Lisa  

And they they so appreciate that. Absolutely. And I think you know, as as a child, we are so much more connected. And it's before we start to turn that dial down. And they do know, I think just having you in their presence is a big deal. So they know that and I think definitely appreciate that. Yeah,

Jamie  

I've been pretty lucky so far with not experiencing too many animal deaths. When I was growing up, it was mom and dad didn't really want to share the grief of a loss of a pet trying to protect the children. So I don't know, maybe I still believe they really on a farm somewhere running free with.

Dr. Lisa  

I'm sure they are just maybe on a different level.

Jamie  

Yeah, I haven't farm. Yeah, so I been fortunate enough. But my husband and I and our kids we have, you know, a dog and two cats, a lizard. And they are our family. I mean, our little dog. She's been with us for 11 years, same age as my daughter and our cats. My husband was never a cat person. And then we found one in the backyard and Wolf, there you go. That's how you get my husband be a cat person, find them five days old, and looking like they just about died. And then of course, I had to get another cat to keep my cat. You know, have my cat have a friend. So there's days where I'm just like, oh my gosh, drives me crazy, but I can't imagine a day without them. And when we talk about death about our animals, we don't like to talk about it. But you know, my husband will come back quickly with like, shut your fucking mouth. Excuse my language. Shut your mouth. They will never die or Maggie will never die in bowl. I'm Michael.

Yeah.

Jamie  

I love you. You're so cute.

Dr. Lisa  

They're hard because they you know, they are a part of our family. And I think that you know, that has been such a big shift in pet ownership over the last probably 50 years where dogs lived outside cats roamed free. You know, they didn't live in the house. They didn't go to the vet, they didn't have you know, care. They were just property. They have now really come into our house into our lives. You know, they're now very much part of the family. They are very much for babies and we We are now pet parents, we're you know, we're not owners, but we're pet parents. And so it becomes, you know, a lot more difficult because then it is it's like talking about, and I'm not associating an animal with a child, but it becomes very much like that, where you're almost talking about a death of a child. And we can't bear with that. And so, but it is hard, because, you know, they just don't live long enough, you know, as, as, as much as they are. And so I think being able to have that level of connection and communication with them just keeps that life so much more enriched, but also to that, you can then have that level of communication when they're on the other side. So they're not actually gone, they're always with us, you know. So they're, they're always around, they're always talking, it's just from a different place.

Marlena  

And that's another offering day you have is a after life reading, correct? That's, that's

Dr. Lisa  

correct. So I've got a pet remembering reading, where this is for animals who have passed over the rainbow bridge, and we do a reading to reconnect the owner with their pet, and give them some tools and messages for them to reconnect, and then be able to call upon them at any time after the reading and open that door. And that reconnection. And, you know, there's some of the most powerful, and inspiring and moving types of readings, because they do get to remember, you know, actually physically reconnect and bring them in and receive those messages that they're needing to hear, there's always a lot of guilt around making a decision to put an animal to sleep. And it's a lot to come to terms with. And I think when the messages come through from that, from their animals on the other side, to say, you know, it's okay, you made the right decision, they made the best decision, and they can actually physically see that here that feel that it is a great comfort, and really does help you have that last bit of grief that

Jamie  

just goes through. And it's beautiful to that they're getting messages, because when they're here on this planet, unless you feel like you can communicate with your animal, you know, it's it's the barking and the happiness and the happy dog and the happy cats, but when they do go to the other side, and you have that reading and that, that communication, you're actually hearing your animal, if you will, for the first time. And that's, that's beautiful. So it's not just, I can't and I can't talk to my dog, she's just spinning around. So I know she's happy. But now they're actually getting words and communication and that that's beautiful. They actually, you know, to hear that in their pet and

Dr. Lisa  

I, I believe that, you know, all animals come into our lives with a purpose. They've got a soul contract, they have signed up with us to come into our life at certain points. You know, so it's not a coincidence that that little five Dale kitten came into your husband's life, you know, she was here, they've had a soul contract to connect and learn. And so he has learned a lot from her about caring and giving and that kind of, you know, real soul connection. And that's, that's what they're here to do. They're here to teach us, you know, and that's why some of them come in for short periods of time. And some of them come in for longer periods of time. And part of learning animal communication and pet Taro, we know we start to learn what those soul contracts are and what it is that they're coming here to teach us. So we can actually then, you know, really work on learning those lessons. It's I can't tell you how many times I you come in, owners bring their pets in, they're unwell. I give them a diagnosis. And the owner goes, Oh, yeah, I have that, you know, and it's like, okay, well, they're here to help you heal. And so, you know, you understand what it means to be a diabetic, so you know, what that level of commitment is. So you're able to give that to those parents, but they're also here to teach you about having diabetes and what that means and what that looks like, and being able to heal them. Like, it's like, it's it's so often, I mean, it's all levels of illness, you know, it can be anxiety, it can be heart disease, it can be diabetes, or thyroid disease, like arthritis, rheumatoid, have me read, the list goes on, and it's, it's amazing. It's amazing how, you know, they, they really do have these contracts with us, for us to learn. So we've got a lot to learn from them.

Marlena  

And speaking of learning, you know, that kind of goes into to your pet taro therapy. And this was something that you created with your dog Spencer. Can you tell us more about that? Because I love Taro and I love and so

Jamie  

she's very interested in

Dr. Lisa  

says Shut up like seriously, you know, it's like okay, I did read tarot it's really interesting tool and how it came about. I initially when I did talk, just animal communication, and I had some of my animal communication students and I had different levels. And there were at least a group of students that were coming in at my level too, and, and we talk a lot about business and having developing offerings for them and incorporating animal communication into their business and what they did. And this woman was very much into Tarot. And we were talking about how we could incorporate animal communication into her Tarot business. And I said, Well, why don't you do pet Tarot? Like, I just was just kind of this thing. I just said, what? I might have never heard of it. I don't think anybody's doing it. I'm sure there's an amazing need for it. Like, how great would that be? You could be you know, the pet toe to the stars, like, this is fantastic. And so she kind of looked at me like, okay, and that was like the last of it. Like she did nothing with it. And I was like, alright, so you know, I had this little idea buzzing around. Two years later, two or three years later, I was doing an advanced taro therapy program, and with one of my mentors, and one of the other students in that program was my student. And so I was like, right, I'm going to do pet Tarot. And I'm going to show her how to do it. So then she can do it. So again, I was still thinking this was meant for her. And so I said, right, I'm going to do pet tarab. And so I was like, I don't know how it looks like how it's gonna work. But I'm just going to do it. And so I just started offering readings, and I started doing it. And so I showed her I was like, see, you can do it, people want to help it. And again, nothing. And so I finally realized, like, I finally dawned on me, I was like, okay, spirit, I hear you. Now, this is obviously not meant for her. But it's meant for me. So I was like, God. So I sat down with Spencer. And I was like, right, Spencer, this is meant for me to teach. This is meant for me to be a service. So we're gonna have to do this, we're gonna have to do this, right. And so I sat with with him and I sat with with a lot of the animals. And we started with the basics. And I just said, okay, in terror, we've got elements, so the suits have their own elements. So the cups is the water element, the swords is the air element, the wands is the fire element, and pentacles is the earth element. So I started with there, and I said, right, so from the animals perspective, what do these elements mean? What do they mean to you, because obviously, what they mean to you is very different than what they mean for us as humans. And so that's where it started. And so the water element from the animals perspective, it is about their love, it is about their emotions, it is about that heart connection with their owners with other animals, the air element from the animals perspective is about their voice, it's about having a voice their communication, being able to communicate, you know, it is a transformative element so there lots of transformation can occur. And you know, there can be some of that karma that comes through but it really at the end of the day, the trends in the readings the swords are really about their voice and getting that communication the wands which is the fire element this is about their sole purpose this is their soul contract, this is what they've come into our life to do. And it it speaks through the ones who the one through 10 and the court cards and so you know this is about their passion about their joy what lights them up, but it's really about that soul contract and why they're here and the earth element from the animals perspective, this is about their self worth. This is about having a job what their job is how they are in service why they're in service here this is about being in service to us and and how having a job is direct connection to their self worth. So it was very interesting to hear what the animals had to say about these elements from their perspectives because it's very different than then the elements from human Tarot. And so then it it's just basically continued from there where as I did the readings and I asked the animals right, what is this meaning of this card to you? I started seeing the trends in the actual readings and and the meaning started to come through and that started to show that the Major Arcana so the Trumps, you know, this is the journey of the fool this is the journey of the owner. And the animal is the guide through that journey. And so they are there to show the major life lessons that the owner needs to get through to them. So the major arcana is the animals bringing forward these, these major life things. And it is is what will be going on for them. And there'll be like, oh, yeah, now that's definitely where I'm at, you know, I'm in Greek with the tower card, you know, so. So then the animal acts as their guide through that journey of the Major Arcana, and then the Minor Arcana, or actually for them, their voice, their messages, what they've come through. And that's really how pet Tarot was born, and how the animals created it. So it was it was all Spencer and the animals that created the meanings of the cards, I just was, I just was the conduit and let those messages come through. And I've now incorporated it into my animal communication program. And because it is such a great anchor for people who are learning animal communication, they have something to focus on, that then allows for the messages that the animals are saying to come through that gets them out of their own way, really, because that's one of the biggest things that I see with people who are learning animal communication is that to learn to trust, and you know, trust that the message they're getting are the messages and they go, how do I know when I'm sitting there by myself? And I don't know. And so by giving them an anchor to go, Okay, I know what this meaning is, and I can I can start to pull the meaning. And then all of a sudden that flow starts and then the animal starts to speak through them. So it's been an amazing tool now. And obviously, it's my biggest service. You know, it's what people people want patch our readings, they they find it fascinating to have that communication.

Marlena  

I know I'm like that is just genius.

Dr. Lisa  

He comes to work with me every day in the office. You know, he sits right down here. He's got his own little bed. And yeah, he's just like, right Mom, this is what we're here to do. Let's let's go through it. And when, when I do my, my animal communication courses, the first animal that they speak to is Spencer because he's had a voice since he was six weeks old. So he knows nothing else. He knows nothing else other than his ability to communicate. And so he's very easy to communicate with so they can get a lot from him. So yeah, I pictures

Jamie  

Secret Life of Pets and like the animals walking in like, Hey, what's going on? Like they've been talking all this time. Where's the party and what's going on today? Exactly. I love it.

Marlena  

Would you be willing to do a couple cards on my Capo girl here? She says you want to share this screen with me baby.

Dr. Lisa  

Oh, sweetheart. Oh, you're beautiful. So so sorry. What is her name? What is her name?

Marlena  

Her name is Capo Capo que APO.

Dr. Lisa  

Okay. So we'll pull a couple cards for copper. So is there any intention or question or do you want to just kind of see what cards come up? Is there anything that you're wanting to set for the intention of the reading?

Marlena  

Um, you know, she is my easiest dog. I have three dogs. So I have a puppy that's four months old. I have a another dog that's a year older than her. And he was a Roskill. And so, like, she's been really good. She's kind of been training our little puppy. And so just kind of wanting to I mean, really, I just want to make sure that this girl is happy. I want to make sure all my talk. Sorry.

Dr. Lisa  

I know. Absolutely. All right. Was that that decision? So one of the first things that's coming through is is that she is saying that she does need some of her own. I'm gonna use this word or me time. So she needs some one on one time. She needs some time that she is not having to be a mother. You know, she wants to just be a dog Yes. And wants to have that time that away from that. So she's definitely saying you know, I need some me time. My job is not only to be a mother to the puppy, but I am here to do other things. And it's getting a bit blurry. Those waters are getting a little bit muddy. So she's she's definitely saying I need some I need some me time. That you know, she's wanting to have that level of a one on one with you. And I can see that level of connection with the two of you. So she's come in from Previous, there are things about her that are familiar from a dog previously. So she's kind of come in with that. So there's a lesson in there that's needing to be learned from that previous dog that's now coming in with her so that she's now here to learn. So there's something that there's a lesson there for you to learn. And it will be interesting to do full reading. Obviously, we don't have that time, but I'll pull a couple of cards and we'll see what comes forward. But it would be interesting to do a full reading around that because obviously, there's something quite significant in there that set you're needing that you're needing to learn with that connection, because she's, she's come in as a past animal. So obviously, an animal from previous she's come in as that past animal to say, Listen, you know, we've got to learn this. And so there's certain little things that you have picked up on that you kind of go on. This is very familiar, like from another dog. So yeah, and so I think it's that me time that one on one time,

Marlena  

and it's not Logan. No, no, it's

Dr. Lisa  

another. It's Oscar. Yeah, it's another dog for some time is like, from quite a while ago. You know, like, I'm seeing it kind of a while ago,

Marlena  

I know exactly who it is because she acts like him. Okay, cool.

Dr. Lisa  

Excellent. All right, good. So that resonates for you. So yeah, so there's obviously something in there. So there's something in that one on one meet time for you to pick up and and to discuss with her so All right. So the way I do this is I so I use a very specific deck, called the wild unknown. My pet tarot deck is in creation. So it's by the deck that I now this is the deck that I use, is what I'm connected with. It's what the deck that I currently teach with until the actual pet tarot deck is made. So what I do is I spread them out facedown, so I don't see them, I just see the tops and I just connect in with copper and we pull a couple of chords.

Jamie  

This is so and love this, this is awesome. She's gonna connect your energy.

Dr. Lisa  

So coppers legs. So she's she's drawing me to either her, her hind legs, her hips or her knees, a bit of stiffness or pain in in these heart in her hind legs, or weakness. She's just kind of showing me I'm being drawn to her hips. That's where I'm feeling. So I'm not sure if she's got a bit of aches and pains in there might be something worthwhile to have your vet check out. But she is drawing me to that area. So I don't know if she's got if she's got issues or if it's the previous dog that had issues. It's a bit hard. It's a very blurry there. But something has been drawn to the hip. Okay. Okay, copper, copper. Okay, so pull two cards. The first card that I have drawn is the Sun card. So this is a major arcana card. Now. So this is copper, bringing a message forward for you, Marlene. So the Sun card is the yes card. So there's obviously something that you have been working on or thinking about either a new project or a new collaboration or something that's coming in the works. She's acknowledging that you are have been doing that this is the yes card this is the Yes to go forward with that. That is going to be a quite a healing journey or healing aspect to doing this program this project. And so you're going to get a lot of healing from it. But but really, at the end of the day, it's just she's saying yes, this is the yes card she's going go for it, no questions, just do it. And you know, stop thinking about it, but just do it. So that's the message that she's bringing forward for you. The second chord that I drew, is there is the seven of swords. Now the swords is the air element. And from the animals perspective, this is about their voice about their ability to communicate and have a voice and we can see here we've got you know, we've got the six swords above and we've got the one sort of below that's kind of being a little bit protected and a little bit guarded. So I think that she's she's saying that she's feeling a little bit guarded in her ability to have her voice and to be able to speak her truth. And so she, she's feeling a little bit like, oh, you know, I can't actually really say what it is I want to say, because everything else is going on around her. So while we've got all of these other swords that are that are occurring, and she's kind of sitting here kind of sitting back. And so I think that this is an acknowledgment that she that she is wanting to have a bit more of a voice a bit more of a say, and be a bit more acknowledged. And I think it comes back to that one on one time that we were talking about before, where she is feeling like she needs to have that time away from what it is that her current job is, which is being a mum and raising the pup and training her and teaching her and those kinds of things. So, you know, it's almost like that whole sacrificial mother kind of thing where you sacrifice everything for the child and you get, you know, a little bit lost, and you get a little bit like, oh, you know, I can't have this, or I can't do this, because, you know, I've got to be the mum. So I think she's feeling a little bit like that. And I think this is the confirmation of that. And so I think it's going to be quite important for her to have that little bit one on one. And I think that's important because I think she's got something to teach you, I think there's, there's, there's something in what she has to say, again, we've got the swords, it's about her voice, something that she has to say that's going to be part of, of, of your healing journey, or, you know, a part of what it is that you're working on and trying to achieve and become better with. And so I think she wants to be a bit of a part of that. So she can help you. And again, it's coming down that that long line of from from the other dog that was there trying to teach this lesson or this, this this knowledge earlier on. And he didn't get a chance to it's like almost like, he just didn't get that opportunity. And now she's come in taking that. So does that all resonate? And does make sense.

Marlena  

It 100% resonates and makes sense. Excellent. Good. Good. Very good.

Jamie  

I will say that all the way. Yes, spot on. No, I can I can validate that.

Marlena  

And when Capo she, um, when she came into my life, I mean, really, I it was a few months after my other dog had passed away. And then we immediately got my we got Cola, which is my child's dog. And then she came along. And my husband really wanted her I didn't want either one of them. And she became my girl like we have this really, really close bond. She is mine and we have a connection. And yes, definitely have her back.

Dr. Lisa  

That's not the soul contract, the soul contract came in for you. That's

Marlena  

yeah, she's here for me. And it's funny, because some of the things that you were saying like her hip. I know that she she's had aches and pains there. And so I do get her checked out frequently because of her hips. Because when she was younger, she was playing with with our older dog and, or with her older brother and, you know, just got injured and so, but even today, she just walked a little more stiffly. And then you brought this up. And it was one of those things that I noticed this morning. So everything that you said, and then the Sun card, there is some things in the works so so yes, but we definitely do need to have our own reading a longer reading. So because I'd love to dive deeper into the lesson because like I said, she does remind me of a dog that I had when I was a teenager.

Dr. Lisa  

It was a long, long time ago. Yeah, yeah.

Marlena  

And she she has a lot of a lot of his personality. Just very goofy and fun and loving. But now that the puppy has come around, she's kind of become more of a mom. And now I'm actually I'm seeing the change in her going from just forever puppy and super goofy to being a mom, which is kind of like what happened to me when I had my kid where I was super goofy, and you know, a lot of fun. And then I became Mom where I and that's when my controlling tendencies came into play. And this was something that I've been thinking about lately, so

Dr. Lisa  

yeah, yeah, I would definitely say there's something.

Marlena  

Yeah. Yeah.

Jamie  

I just want to know, and I may have to book a reading with you too. I just want to know what goes through my cat 10 because cats are very different.

Dr. Lisa  

Absolutely, absolutely.

Jamie  

And there's the they was mentioning the feral cat that we found when he was five days old, and t's a challenge, but he's completely attached to my daughter. And I need to understand what's going through this cat's head. I don't quite get him sometimes. Bats are

Dr. Lisa  

very different cats are very unique in their ability to communicate, they actually can be a little bit more difficult in but that they don't require us. So cats are one of the only few animals that can exist and live and see all worlds. So cats, crows, or Ravens. And dragons are the three animals that can actually exist in all realms, and overall. So they will sit and can see all of these timelines and worlds occurring in front of them and they can move through them. So they'll kind of come in and out of them. So when they're in certain places, those are going to be like kind of an energy vortex where they will sit for long periods of time. So they're actually energizing into that. And they're also in that realm of going through all the different worlds. It's interesting, and I'm not 100% Sure, but an older female who has passed as coming in through with this cat around you. And so it's, I want to say, you know, like older I'm gonna say Mom, grandma, I'm most lending towards more like grandma. So she's coming through in in with this cat. So when you started talking about that cat, she I can feel her energy starting to come through. So there's there's something there is that connection between someone who who has passed? And yeah, so there's that there's a very strong connection and she's come through with that. So that's very interesting that, that she's, you know, kind of coming in and going got to talk about me in this cat. So obviously, there's, you know, something quite important to with that. So she's she's there she's seeing you she's she had her energy is there. And this I don't know if it's because the cat can see her and she can see him and it's like this kind of ongoing battle. And she can't even get away from him in death. So um, yeah, so that's quite interesting. Sorry. Okay.

Jamie  

Oh, you just brought all the laughter in tears in one swoop. So I know exactly who that is. And exactly what you're saying is so spot on. Because he in when she was a lead, this is my mother in law. My mother in law who passed about a year ago, a little over a year now. And she's the most loving soul in the world. This animal for whatever reason, again, and this is why I want to understand Buster Hussein's buster. Yeah, um, I want to understand what goes through his head because he will be that cat sitting on the ledge. And as you walk by, yep, he swats it. Yeah, yeah. And so her name is Sue. Yeah. And that's exactly what she would be afraid to come out of our room because she knew Buster was sitting right there. And would take a swing at her. And I'm like, so you just have to tell them stop like you have just you have to be aggressive. You just get you can't be afraid of them. Otherwise, he'll like, you know, you're egging him on. Yeah, it cracks me up because even like you're saying in past life. Yeah. She can't get rid of this cat. Yeah, that's probably the only time she could ever touch. People Yeah, yeah, he doesn't like I mean, I shouldn't say that. He doesn't like people. It's just his personality is very oh my god, you gave me the best story tonight that I talked to her every day when I meditate when I when I do my own readings. I I bring her through. I know she's here and it's It cracks me up that she forced her way into just like Yes. With buster.

Dr. Lisa  

Yes, that's right. And, and it's like, she's like, she's almost like doing this. You know, like I see.

Jamie  

She would do that all the time. She's like Buster, I see you.

Dr. Lisa  

I'm seeing her do so she's still she's still doing that. And that's it's interesting because that is not something that I do so that's not a normal so I know then that that is well and truly validation that I've that I have connected with her because that is not something that I do and for me to do She's showing me this that. That's you. Yep. So. So yes, there's, there's a very much that connection. So obviously, I do think that there is he's a little bit misunderstood. And I think that probably that he's needing some engineering to find his voice. And so he is a bit more understood. Because I just can hear him saying, I'm, they're just, they just don't get me. I'm being misunderstood, and they just don't get me. So and it's like a level of frustration. So I think that behavior is a level of frustration, like he's going excuse me, I need you to get it. You need to pay attention, you need to connect, I'm saying something, and you're not hearing me. And I think that's what that that, you know, he's just trying to get everyone's attention.

Jamie  

And I don't know if this is something you would feel or you're even hear from him. But does he say anything about Stella, Stella resignate, at all, or resin and resignate, I've been saying that resonate, that is his attachment is formed. That's the only one that he will sleep in the crux of her arm, he sleeps in her head, He follows her into her room.

Dr. Lisa  

So what all the people I would be asking Stella what conversations she has with him, because they will be communicating. So just ask her, What things do they talk about, because she will she will say, Oh, we talk about this kind of stuff. Or we have these these chats or these conversations, or he talks with me like this. Like it might not be particularly in words, it might be some some form of communication, but she's having that communication with him that he's able to feel understood. And so I would be asking her as part of getting to understand him better what it is that they talk about, or you know what she feels or picks up with that kind of stuff. Because that will be that connection and why he's that way. This is probably got a lot to say. And she probably doesn't say anything, because she doesn't feel that it's that it's real. To her, it's going to be an a made up imaginary conversation that she has. And so she's she's just saying she's having this made up conversation. But in actuality, she needs to be told that it is the conversation that they're having, and that she can trust in what she receives from him.

Jamie  

You've given me such a gift tonight. Thank you so much. I can't seriously. I mean, the whole recording is just a gift. But what you just told me in the last five minutes is truly I can't thank you enough. It means so much to me. Thank you,

Marlena  

Dr. Lisa, please plug yourself because you gave a little bit you gave our audience a little bit of what they can expect by please give us all of your

Dr. Lisa  

excellent, thank you. So yes, you can, you can come to my website. So it's animal connection.net. I've sent through the links for you morally, and I'm sorry, I didn't get that thing filled out, but it's not filled out, you know, habit. So, animal connection.net You can see me on Facebook, which is animal connection with Dr. Lisa. And so I've got a Facebook page and on that Facebook page, you can click and go into my private group where I do a lot of spontaneous free readings, you know, a lot of information that comes through that group. On my website, you'll see my offering. So readings that you can begin for I've got a four session empowerment package where we work with the owner and the animal together over four sessions where we're working through things that might be going on, whether that's behaviors or you know, wanting to know more and going quite in depth, you know, more so than just a single reading. So, we've got that available. I've got some freebies for your beautiful listeners on my website. So I've got a three part video training with a beautiful Introduction Guide to pet tarot and so they can go there and and download that free training and beautiful workbook.

Marlena  

You're absolutely amazing. I'm so so happy that we were able to have you on the show. Thank you again all the way from Australia. But as you can see, we can make this happen from Australia to the United States. So make sure that you go check out our website, check her out on all their socials will have that on our website, as well as in the show notes. So

Dr. Lisa  

yeah, and that's it's a good thing you've just brought up so 99% of my readings are done via zoom. I have do readings all around the world so I do not have to be in present or with the animal so as we've done today, and I've even with Buster the cat like I haven't even seen Buster the cat, but I've been able to connect with him. So the process is very easy.

Marlena  

So thank you again.

Dr. Lisa  

Thank you You thank you so much for having me guys. It's been an absolute pleasure.

Marlena  

Well, I don't have Christie here to wrap it up for us that's not normal for me No, but thank you everyone for listening to which a mystic and a feminist please go to our website WMF pod.com And like subscribe, leave us a review also good all of our socials, and we'll see you next Tuesday.